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2 John Wall, PG
Height/Weight: 6-4/195 | Birthdate: 9/6/1990 | Birthplace: Raleigh, NC | Team: Washington Wizards | College: Kentucky | NBA Experience: 2 | Owned/Started%: 100/91 | Average Draft Position: 34.94
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4/24/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

Wizards behind Wall

News: The Washington Post reports that Wizards general manager Ernie Grunfeld hopes to have guard John Wall with the team for a long time. "I think John had a very good year, and he showed that he makes a difference on the team," Grunfeld said. "There’s no question about that, and he’s eligible for an extension. July 1 is the first day we can talk about that, and we’ll have conversations with him, his representatives, to see if we can work something out … Obviously, we’ve said all along that we’re building this team around John and with John. We want to have him here long term."
Analysis: The Wizards will likely give Wall a max deal, especially with the way he played this season. Despite missing the first 33 games of the season due to knee surgery, Wall returned and had a career year. He set career highs in points (18.5), field-goal percentage (44.1) and free-throw percentage (80.4) while still doing a nice job in assists (7.6), steals (1.3) and rebounds (4.0). Wall looks like a No. 1 Fantasy guard, and he's worth drafting next season as early as Round 2.

4/19/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

Wizards hope to lock up Wall

News: Comcast Sports Net reports that Wizards owner Ted Leonsis hopes to sign point guard John Wall to a long-term contract extension. Leonsis said the Wizards hope to work something out with Wall "to keep him with the team for a long, long time. I think the fans would expect that to try to keep the nucleus of the team together and add around it.”
Analysis: The Wizards will likely give Wall a max deal, especially with the way he played this season. Despite missing the first 33 games of the season due to knee surgery, Wall returned and had a career year. He set career highs in points (18.5), field-goal percentage (44.1) and free-throw percentage (80.4) while still doing a nice job in assists (7.6), steals (1.3) and rebounds (4.0). Wall looks like a No. 1 Fantasy guard, and he's worth drafting next season as early as Round 2.

4/6/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS Wall playing with swagger

John Wall

Wall playing with swagger

News: Wizards guard John Wall continued his hot play during Saturday's contest against the Pacers. Wall looked like the best player on the court in the 104-85 win as he finished with a game-high 37 points. He went 16 of 25 from the field and even threw his palms up in the air after making an improbable 14-foot sideways runner. He also flexed his muscles to the crowd after making a fast-break layup and added five rebounds, four assists and two blocks to his stat line, including swatting a layup attempt from the 7-foot-2 Roy Hibbert.
Analysis: While we have seen flashes of Wall's potential over his first two years in the league, we have never seen him play like this. The 22-year-old is playing with a certain swagger that is normally only seen in superstars and his recent play has many Fantasy owners excited about next season already. Wall has scored at least 20 points in 10 of his last 15 games and he is averaging 27.3 points over that span. He is also giving owners 8.4 assists, 5.4 rebounds and 1.6 steals during his hot streak on 49 percent (130 of 264) shooting from the field. Wall should be considered a must-start option in all formats for the remainder of this season as well as the start of the 2013-14 campaign.

4/2/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

Wall stays hot for Wizards

News: Wizards guard John Wall messed around and nearly got a triple-double during Tuesday's contest against the Bulls. Wall finished with 27 points, nine assists and eight rebounds in the 90-86 win on 8 of 17 shooting from the field. He went 11 of 13 from the free-throw line and also added three blocks to his stat line, while logging 37 minutes of game action.
Analysis: Wall continues to fill up the stat sheet for owners as he has been quite a force over the last few weeks. The 22-year-old is now averaging 29 points, 8.2 assists and 6.8 rebounds over his last five contests on 42 percent shooting from the field. However, he is shooting Wall has been more than making up for his slow start this season and should remain active in all formats over the final few scoring periods of the year.

3/25/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS Wall drops 47 on Grizzlies

John Wall

Wall drops 47 on Grizzlies

News: Wizards guard John Wall scored a career-high 47 points during Monday's contest against the Grizzlies. Wall shot 13 of 22 from the field in the 107-94 win and made a career-high 19 free throws on 24 attempts. Wall scored 26 of his points in the first half, including eight straight at one point in the first quarter, and also added eight assists, seven rebounds, one steal and one block to his stat line, while logging 45 minutes of game action. "I was just in a zone. I made my first couple of shots and I knew I was in a great rhythm. Ten points in the first quarter, I knew I had it going," Wall said.
Analysis: While it took longer than most owners would have liked, Wall has been playing of out his mind of late. The 22-year-old continues to post big numbers for the Wizards as he is now averaging 26.1 points, 10.5 assists, 5.5 rebounds and 2.3 steals over his last eight games. Wall is also shooting 55 percent (80 of 144) over that span as all the work he put in over the summer on his jump shot seems to be paying off. Keep in mind it was during one of his shooting sessions over the summer when Wall hurt his knee. However, owners should continue to roll with the third-year guard as a must-start option in all formats right now.

3/24/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

Wall earns an ejection

News: Wizards guard John Wall took offense to a couple of tough plays by Warriors guard Klay Thompson in the third quarter Saturday, and made sure to let him know about it. Wall, who had a technical foul from earlier in the game, walked over to Thompson after being shoved to the ground and talked trash to him on a dead ball. Unfortunately, the referees decided to hit both players with technical fouls for the back and forth, giving Wall two in the game and an automatic ejection. Wall left the game having put up 14 points and three assists in 24 minutes of action.
Analysis: It was a pretty tame technical, but Wall needed to be smarter and realize he already had one. With how well Wall is playing recently, Fantasy owners hate to see him forced to leave a game for any reason. Wall was averaging 23.4 points, 12.2 assists, 4.9 rebounds and 2.3 steals per game over his previous seven games. He will likely not see any additional punishment from the league, and will remain a high-end Fantasy option in all formats moving forward.

3/23/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS Wall stays hot for Wizards

John Wall

Wall stays hot for Wizards

News: Wizards guard John Wall was able to get his teammates involved during Friday's contest against the Lakers. Wall, who was averaging 7.5 assists on the year entering the game, dished out a career-best 16 dimes in the 103-100 win. Six of those came in the fourth quarter and he also finished with 24 points on 9 of 19 shooting from the field. Wall did miss his lone attempt from downtown, but did go 6 of 8 from the charity stripe and also added six rebounds and three steals to his stat line, while logging 44 minutes of game action.
Analysis: Wall certainly tested Fantasy owners patience in the early part of the season as he was unable to get on the court until January and then got off to a shaky start. However, the 22-year-old has hit his stride in recent weeks as he has been posting awesome numbers. In fact, Wall is now averaging 23.4 points, 12.2 assists, 4.9 rebounds and 2.3 steals over his last seven games and he is shooting 55 percent from the field over that span. This is the type of production most were expecting from Wall when he came into the league, so owners should take advantage and leave him active in all formats moving forward.

3/16/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS Wall on quite a run

John Wall

Wall on quite a run

News: Wizards guard John Wall continued his hot shooting during Saturday's contest against the Suns. Wall connected on 8 of 11 on his field-goal attempts in the 127-105 win and finished with 17 points. He went 1 of 2 from the free-throw line and also added 11 assists, three steals and one block to his stat line, while logging 32 minutes of game action. Wall is now averaging 19.6 points, 8.1 assists and 4.6 rebounds on 53 percent shooting from the field in the month of March.
Analysis: Wall has been on quite a run of late as he is finally starting to knock down some shots. The 22-year-old has connected on 62 percent of his shots (37 of 60) over the last four games and is averaging 24 points, 11 assists, 5.5 rebounds and 2.5 steals over that span. Wall is more than making up for his slow start and looks to have some favorable matchups on tap this week against some bad defensive teams. Fantasy owners should leave Wall active in all formats while he is playing at such a high level.

3/12/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

Wall puts together big line

News: Washington point guard John Wall performed at a high level on Tuesday night in Cleveland, despite the Wizards taking the loss. Wall recorded a double-double as he scored 27 points and dished out 14 assists. He fell just three rebounds shy of a triple-double over 37 minutes on the court. Wall shot 7 for 15 from the field and went 13 of 14 from the line. He added a steal and a block in the well-rounded performance.
Analysis: Wall should perform as he did on Tuesday with much more regularity as he has that kind of ability for the Wizards and Fantasy owners. He is a must-start Fantasy point guard regardless, but he has so much more potential yet to show.

3/6/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

Wall not enough in loss

News: Washington guard John Wall scored 19 points on Wednesday during a loss to the Timberwolves. Wall played well but the Wizards couldn't get the win as he shot 7 of 15 from the field over 39 minutes. Wall dished out seven assists and added three rebounds and three steals with a block for the Wizards.
Analysis: Wall hasn't put up a big scoring effort in a while and also isn't in double figures in assists very often. He's playing well enough to be starting in all Fantasy formats, but so much more was expected out of the former Kentucky standout. Hopefully he gets hot and finishes the season strong.

2/27/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

Wall sees a lot of bench

News: Washington point guard John Wall saw just 24 minutes and was benched for much of the second half on Wednesday during a one-point loss to the Pistons. Wall, who was seen on the bench getting coached up by assistants, scored just six points on 3 of 9 shooting in the game with seven turnovers. He grabbed one rebound and had four assists for the Wizards in the losing effort.
Analysis: Wall is not in jeopardy of being benched by the Wizards but the team won't let him perform at the level he did on Wednesday. He's gone just 6 for 20 from the field in his last two games and his turnovers per game have risen steadily. Continue to roll with the 22-year-old as a high-end start in all formats, despite his recent shooting woes and hope he can snap out of it and get back in the good graces of the coaching staff.

2/25/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

Wall still struggling with shot

News: Wizards guard John Wall's shooting struggles continued during Monday's contest against the Raptors. Wall connected on just three of his 11 field-goal attempts in the 90-84 win, but was still able to finish with 10 points. He did not attempt a 3-pointer and added seven assists, five rebounds and one steal to his stat line, while logging 24 minutes of game action.
Analysis: Wall has been in a bit of a shooting slump of late as he has now connected on just 17 of his last 65 field-goal attempts (25 percent). However, his ability to get to the free-throw line as well as convert from there has allowed him to average 12.9 points over that span. He is also averaging 8.9 dimes during his slump, which has helped erase some of his shooting deficiencies. While Wall has never been considered a great shooter, we would expect him to start knocking down some shots with greater frequency moving forward. Continue to roll with the 22-year-old as a high-end start in all formats, despite his recent shooting woes.

2/19/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS Wall comes off break ice cold

John Wall

Wall comes off break ice cold

News: Washington point guard John Wall opened the second half of the NBA season Tuesday against Toronto with a dismal performance. Wall took 12 shots in the game over 31 minutes and connected just once. He did go 7 of 8 from the line to score nine points. Wall dished out six assists, but turned the ball over seven times. He grabbed three rebounds and added three steals and two blocks.
Analysis: Wall has shot 5 for 23 over his last two games before and after the All-Star break and needs to get the hot hand once again for the Wizards. As Wall goes, so do the Wizards and his performance is a huge reason they lost at home against the Raptors Tuesday. He'll have better games, however, and remains a must-start Fantasy point guard for the second half of the season.

2/8/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

Wall starting to break through

News: Wizards guard John Wall knew he would be at a disadvantage from a conditioning standpoint when he was forced to miss the first 33 games of the season because of a knee injury. But he was not deterred mentally and said he gained a sharper perspective while watching his teammates from the bench. "It’s a development process for me. I learned how to change pace, when to attack, when not to attack and get my teammates involved," Wall told the Washington Post. "Not being fully in shape and being able to play right away and it was tough to not have my rhythm, but I’m having fun."
Analysis: Wall's observations -- and improved health -- have started to take shape for the Wizards as his production has improved this month, which includes a pair of 20-point performances over the past three games. His totals have increased despite his shooting averages hovering around the same area as last year (42.6 percent to 42.3 percent) despite working with Knicks shooting coach Dave Hopla last summer. "But I feel confident," he said. "Some games I’m making them and some games I’m not, but I just got to keep defenses honest and instead of making a turnover and forcing something. I’m not going to stop." Wall remains one of the most dynamic play-makers in the league and should be active in all Fantasy formats at this point.

2/6/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

Wall leads way for Wizards

News: Washington point guard John Wall was in high gear on Wednesday as the Wizards pulled out a home win over the New York Knicks. Wall went 8 for 18 from the field in the game over 37 minutes as he led the Wizards with 21 points. The point guard dished out nine assists and added five rebounds and a blocked shot during the game. He did have six turnovers for Washington, which won by 10 points.
Analysis: The 22-year-old Wall has scored over 20 points twice in his last three games as he's beginning to shoot the ball with more consistency. He's been passing better and better and should get to his established elite level before long. Keep in mind he's only played 15 games to this point. Wall can be active in all Fantasy leagues and formats.

2/2/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

Wall plays through shoulder issue

News: Wizards guard John Wall was able to play through a shoulder injury suffered during Friday's contest against the Grizzles. Wall sustained a left shoulder strain in the second quarter but returned to action after halftime as he finished the game with nine points, seven rebounds and six assists in an 85-76 victory. "I could still feel the pain, but I just tried to play through it," Wall said. "I just hoped that it wasn't anything serious so I could keep playing the rest of the season." He went 3 of 8 shooting from the field, including 1 of 2 from downtown, and 2 of 2 from the charity stripe while logging 23 minutes of game action.
Analysis: Wall would have likely seen more minutes on the court had he not suffered the injury and this could end up being an issue for him the rest of the season. Fantasy owners can only hope that doesn't mean more time off the court. Though the 22-year-old may have been held to single-digit scoring for the second consecutive game, he was able to knock down his first 3-pointer of the season. Wall is just 1 of 9 from downtown this season and is shooting 43.0 percent from the field overall thus far. Despite being limited to around 25-30 minutes per game, Wall can be considered a solid start in the majority of formats for now as long as he keeps playing.

1/28/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

Wall still knocking down shots

News: Wizards guard John Wall turned in his second-best scoring performance of the season during Washington's loss to the Kings Monday night. Wall, who was appearing in his 10th game of the year, poured in 19 points in the 96-94 defeat. He made nine of his 16 field-goal attempts and also added six assists and one rebound to his stat line, while logging 30 minutes of game action.
Analysis: While Wall remains on a minutes restriction, he has looked pretty sharp in his first 10 games back in the lineup. He reportedly spent much of the summer working on his jump shot and it is starting to show as he has made at least 45 percent of his shots in each of his last four games. He is also being much more selective with his shots as he has only attempted five 3s on the year and none over his last five games. Despite being limited to around 25-30 minutes per game, Wall can be considered a solid start in the majority of formats moving forward.

1/25/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

Wall sharp shoots as starter

News: Washington guard John Wall came off the bench in his first seven games since returning from a knee injury but returned to the starting lineup Friday against Minnesota. He scored 14 points on 6-of-10 shooting in the 114-101 win. He also went 2 for 3 from the charity stripe. Wall posted five assists, two blocks and a steal while playing 21 minutes in the victory. "I think I'm still trying to get in basketball shape," Wall said. "And it's still tough, but I think I'm getting closer and closer."
Analysis: Owners have to be encouraged with Wall's return to the starting five but coach Randy Wittman said he will still be on a minutes restriction. Keep an eye on the situation going forward to see when the Wizards will let the 22-year-old log heavy minutes again. Wall is averaging 14.4 points with 6.6 assists and 1.4 blocks on 44 percent shooting in the previous five games. The only thing limiting Wall right now is his lack of minutes, as the team is taking it easy after he missed the first 32 games of the season, but he remains a solid play in the majority of Fantasy formats.

1/25/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS Wall back in starting five

John Wall

Wall back in starting five

News: Wizards guard John Wall was listed among the starters Friday against the Timberwolves, the first time he has started a game since returning from a knee injury. According to coach Randy Wittman, Wall is still on a mintues restriction; he has played between 25 and 30 minutes per game since returning, and should continue to do so.
Analysis: Wall has made a big impact in the Wizards’ play in his seven games, averaging 14.0 points and 6.9 assists in just 25.1 minutes per game. The only thing limiting Wall right now is his lack of minutes, as the team is taking it easy after he missed the first 32 games of the season. Despite the limited minutes, Wall is worth getting into the starting lineup in all Fantasy formats at this point.

1/20/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS Wall keeps improving game

John Wall

Wall keeps improving game

News: Washington point guard John Wall saw yet another production increase playing in his fifth game of the season Saturday in L.A. Wall couldn't get the Wizards to beat the Clippers, but did score 24 points over 31 minutes. Both of those numbers are season highs for the stud point guard. Wall went 7 of 16 from the field and 10 of 14 from the line as he added six assists, three rebounds, two blocks and two steals.
Analysis: Wall keeps increasing his minutes and his scoring keeps rising with his time on the court. That is the sign of a player nearing 100 percent once again. Wall is averaging 15.6 points, 7.6 assists, 1.2 steals and a block per game over his first five contests of the season. He's only going to keep improving and is already worth starting in all leagues and formats.

1/17/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

Wall continuing to improve

News: Wizards guard John Wall, who made his season debut Saturday after missing the start of the season due to knee surgery, had 14 points, 10 assists and three steals in a season-high 26 minutes Wednesday at Sacramento. Wall had a chance to give the Wizards a lead with 30 seconds left. He was fouled after stealing the ball from DeMarcus Cousins. But Wall missed both free throws and the Kings secured the rebound and called timeout with 30 seconds left to set up Tyreke Evans' game-winning drive.
Analysis: Wednesday was Wall's third game after missing the season's first 33 with an injured left knee. He demonstrated his trademark quickness in the opening half, getting to the basket numerous times when he scored 10 points in only nine minutes. "I felt good tonight, except that I missed two free throws," Wall said. "I'm not taking any credit from them. I just felt like we gave the game away." Wall is averaging 22.3 minutes, 13.3 points, 6.7 assists, 2.0 rebounds and 1.3 steals per game since his season debut. He continues to come off the bench for Washington, but it will only be a matter of time before he is back in the starting lineup. The Wizards are just being cautious with his knee and conditioning. Wall is not back to being a must-start Fantasy option yet, but he is certainly startable in deep formats.

1/13/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

Wall strong in return from injury

News: Wizards guard John Wall made his much-anticipated debut Saturday against the Hawks, after missing the first 33 games of the season due to knee surgery. Wall had a solid first game, scoring 14 points in just 21 minutes off the bench, while adding four assists. He turned the ball over three times in the game and did not seem to be in excellent shape, which makes sense, given his extended layoff. He grabbed a pair of rebounds, while sparking the Wizards to a 93-83 win.
Analysis: Wall’s conditioning is probably not at the level it needs to be right now, which makes perfect sense, since he has not played since last April. Wall should be back in the starting lineup before long, where he will once again be the team’s best player. He should be the first option in the offense soon, and will likely return to putting up strong numbers on a nightly basis. In his third season in the league, we hope that Wall can take the next step in his development, though staying healthy will be a key in the immediate future. Either way, he is clearly worth getting back in your Fantasy lineups moving forward.

1/11/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

No boundaries for Wall's return

News: After three straight days of practice without any setbacks, Wizards guard John Wall (knee) is poised to make his season debut Saturday against Atlanta, the Washington Examiner reports. Wall, who has been sidelined since late September after he was diagnosed with a stress injury to his left kneecap, received full medical clearance to return after not experiencing any discomfort following three intensive practice sessions this week, including Friday. "It’s the biggest feeling," Wall said after practice Friday. "You know I haven’t played in so long, so I’m going to be anxious and super-excited, so I’ll probably get tired in probably 30 seconds, because I haven’t played in so long."
Analysis: With Wall working himself back into shape, he probably won't start in his first few games back and could have his minutes limited. "His conditioning is going to be a thing that I make sure I keep a good eye on," coach Randy Wittman said Friday. "That when I see the point of exhaustion, I got to get him in and out." Wall's return should benefit a Wizards offense that ranks last in the league with just 89.2 points per game. The former No. 1 overall pick has shown the ability to generate plenty of offensive opportunities and averaged 16.3 points and 8.1 assists per game during his first two NBA seasons. He could return to full strength quickly and is worth activating in all Fantasy formats.

1/10/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

Wall inches closer to debut

News: Wizards guard John Wall (knee) practiced for a second straight day Thursday, increasing his chances of making his season debut Saturday vs. Atlanta. Wall is scheduled to be re-evaluated after Friday's practice. "He's pretty close," Wizards coach Randy Wittman said, per USA Today. "Obviously, we have another 24 hours here. He's gone hard. These are probably the two hardest days back-to-back that he's put together. Obviously, we have to see how his body responds." Wall said he will play Saturday if he can make it through Friday's practice pain-free, so it seems he has one more major hurdle left before being cleared to return. "Hopefully, everything continues to go well so I can be back out there with my team on Saturday," Wall said.
Analysis: Fantasy owners have been waiting for a long time for this day and it finally seems Wall is ready for his 2012-13 debut. It would be great if he returns Saturday, then Fantasy owners will have a better idea of whether or not to activate Wall for the upcoming scoring period. One other thing to consider is Wall's conditioning. Wittman mentioned Wednesday that Wall's conditioning isn't up to par, so the Wizards probably will ease him back into action in order to avoid a setback. We expect Wall to return to being a must-start Fantasy option over time, so the quicker he returns to form, the better.

1/9/2013

John Wall, PG, WAS

John Wall

Wall hopeful for Saturday

News: Wizards guard John Wall said Wednesday he has felt no pain in his knee since returning to practice in early January, and added if all goes well, then he hopes to make his season-debut Saturday against the Hawks. "I'm tired of wearing suits, I'm ready to put a jersey on," Wall said. Although, coach Randy Wittman said he won't activate Wall until he gets final clearance from the medical staff. “They have to ultimately clear him,” Wittman said, per The Washington Post. “He’s conditioning isn’t near where it needs to be at this time. I don’t want to put him in a situation out on the floor where conditioning is going to have a tendency to cause another injury. I have to be careful with that on my own without a doctor telling me that.”
Analysis: Fantasy owners have been waiting for a long time for this day and it finally seems Wall is ready for his 2012-13 debut. It would be great if he returns Saturday, then Fantasy owners will have a better idea of whether or not to activate Wall for the upcoming scoring period. We also have to keep tabs on Wall's conditioning. He might need a few games before he is back to full strength, so he could see reduced minutes upon activation. “I’m good, I’m just tired right now,” Wall said. “I’m just working my way back in shape and just excited and happy to be back out there with my teammates and go through a full practice without no pain and just see how I feel (Thursday).” We expect Wall to return to being a must-start Fantasy option over time, so the quicker he returns to form, the better.