Forgot Log-in or  Password? |  Help  Not a member, Register Now!
      
Fantasy Football Today
Fantasy Football Today Blog
Gameday Inactives
2014 Draft Prep Guide
Downloadable Draft Kit
Mock Drafts
Get Your Draft Board
Player News
Stats
Players
Depth Charts
Roster Trends
Columns
Injury Report
Projections
Rankings
Schedules
Scores
Fantasy Games
Playoff Challenge
Commissioner
Prize Leagues
Free
Office Pool Manager
Game Pick'em
Player Challenge
Fantasy Baseball Today
Fantasy Baseball Today Blog
2015 Draft Prep Guide
Mock Drafts
Player News
Stats
Players
Depth Charts
Roster Trends
Columns
Injury Report
Rankings
Projections
Schedules
Probable Pitchers
Scores
Standings
Fantasy Games
Commissioner
Free
Prize Leagues
Player News
Stats
Players
Columns
Injuries
Projections
Rankings
Schedules
Message Boards
Fantasy Games
Commissioner
Free
Player News
Stats
Players
Columns
Injury Report
Projections
Rankings
Schedules
Mock Drafts
Scores
Standings
Fantasy Games
Commissioner
Free
Prize Leagues
Downloadable Draft Kit
Player News
Stats
Players
Columns
Injury Report
Projections
Rankings
Schedules
Mock Drafts
Scores
Standings
Fantasy Games
Commissioner
Free
Prize Leagues
No Fantasy Teams Found
 
 
 

Offseason Extra: A few points on PATs

Senior Fantasy Writer
  •  

Everyone knows it's good to be in charge and that's certainly the case when it comes to being the commissioner of your Fantasy league. But the ultimate league Commissioner -- Roger Goodell -- recently floated a proposal that would slightly alter the scoring system of the NFL.

He suggested that the extra point become a thing of the past. Touchdowns would become seven-point plays instead of six-point plays. Teams would then have the option of risking one point on one offensive, untimed play from two yards out (just like a two-point conversion is under current rules). If a team scores, it gets the point; if it doesn't then they lose the point and only six points go up on the scoreboard. It is not meant to encourage "going for it" any more often than a team goes for two points now, but it does mean the NFL recognizes the extra point as a boring, unexciting play.

The pro game wouldn't change much as a result; some scoring records would fall. But in Fantasy, the ramifications would be significant. Extra points made up 32.7 percent of all kickers' Fantasy point totals in 2013, assuming all field goals were worth three points. That's a big chunk of their collective stats being sliced off by Goodell's rule change. It opens up a pretty big can of worms for Fantasy owners and commissioners to think about.

Should kicker scoring change?

If kickers aren't kicking extra points anymore, should field goals be worth more in Fantasy than the three points teams get in the NFL? Unless you're trying to preserve the value of kickers it's hard to make the argument for it -- all touchdowns are worth six points in the NFL so they're worth six points in a standard-scoring Fantasy league (for now, keep reading). The exception to that is leagues that give four points for a passing touchdown, but that's done because quarterbacks score more often than other positions.

Check out our Fantasy Football podcast!
There is no better source for entertaining Fantasy advice than our Fantasy Football Today podcast. Dave Richard, Jamey Eisenberg and Adam Aizer will help you pass the time as you anticipate Draft Day 2014!
Latest episode | Subscribe today!

It goes without saying that if you kept kicker scoring as-is, then you'd see a pretty serious drop in production. For instance, top Fantasy kicker Stephen Gostkowski would go from 168 Fantasy points (that's with bonuses for 50-plus-yard field goals) to 124 without extra points. He'd still be second-best behind Justin Tucker, who would be tops at 126. But take away Matt Prater's 75 extra points and he'd go from the No. 2 slot at 162 points to No. 13 with 87 points. Only nine kickers would have reached 100 or more Fantasy points in 2013 if extra points were eliminated prior to last year and none would average even 8.0 Fantasy points per game.

If we were to try and "bake in" the points lost by extra point elimination into field goals, then we're talking about making field goals worth four points. It's increasing the original number by 33 percent, or about the amount of Fantasy points lost on average if extra points were history. Kickers should continue to score about as many Fantasy points as they do now if that were to become the case. It doesn't feel "right" but it's an option.

Should the kicker be combined with the DST?

Combining kickers with DSTs encompasses all the necessary evils of football into one tidy position on your roster -- and actually makes it more valuable.

As of now, the best DSTs can land anywhere from 225 to 260 Fantasy points in standard leagues over the course of a season, as much or more than the top receivers and tight ends typically get. Throw in field goals and we're talking about units that could deliver well over 300 points per year. That's way better than what you'll get from running backs, receivers and tight ends -- it's on pace with the decent quarterbacks in Fantasy.

But it also makes an already unpredictable position even more of a crapshoot. Predicting special-teams scores is borderline impossible, save for the unit that consistently gives up huge returns week after week. Predicting field goals isn't quite as impossible but it's still a challenge since kicks can be missed. Predicting defensive play is the easiest of the three, but how many times have we preached a "favorable matchup" because of an offense's ineptitude only to see it collapse? All three are huge wild cards when it comes to Fantasy.

It also doesn't change the fact that defenses are still the primary producer of the unit. We took the Fantasy point totals from DSTs last year and added what their corresponding kickers would have scored if only awarded points for field goals (and a two-point bonus for 50-plus yards). While the combined units scored way more, their ranking was basically the same:

Rank DST FPTS Rank K+DST FPTS
1 Seahawks 264 1 Chiefs 381
2 Chiefs 257 2 Seahawks 369
3 Panthers 246 3 Panthers 350
4 Bengals 227 4 49ers 344
5 49ers 218 5 Cardinals 322
6 Cardinals 215 6 Rams 318
7 Rams 205 7 Bengals 311
8 Bills 190 8 Bills 286
9 Colts 176 9 Colts 285
10 Saints 175 10 Saints 280
11 Dolphins 172 11 Dolphins 278
12 Patriots 172 12 Broncos 265

This paints the picture that if your league were to combine kickers and DSTs that you could get away with ignoring the kicking aspect since the results seem based more on the success of the defense than anything else. In this case, kickers are fairly immaterial -- something that you might have felt even before Goodell's idea came to light. The difference is that an owner could start a kicker from a different team than his defense and potentially scored more Fantasy points. But it still suggests kickers are frivolous when it comes to Fantasy.

And if this is the case, then the question must be asked ...

Should the kicker be eliminated from Fantasy?

Look, if they're already not doing a lot for us and are going to do 32.7 percent less, then why have them at all? Just because NFL teams have them? Just because we've had to deal with them all these years?

If a league booted kickers from lineups and did nothing else then it would be a little sad. One less round to draft, one less spot to fill and one less player to accrue points from. I'd rather have a kicker to put into lineups and get some points than nothing at all. Hopefully your commissioner isn't so uncreative and boring that they'll just bounce kickers and do nothing else.

What would be more fun is to eliminate the kicker but not the roster spot he leaves behind. League commissioners could replace kickers with a flex, a second quarterback or something else. There's a world of possibilities, and if kickers are set to score fewer points than they have in the past then they shouldn't be sacred. Imagine cutting a kicker and adding a flex -- the challenge and fun of Fantasy would be kicked up a notch.

Should touchdowns count for seven?!

So if the NFL flushes extra points and gives players seven points for a touchdown, should the players get credit for those seven points in Fantasy instead of six?

The answer is yes. Why not? We give the full six points for a score now -- if the score counts for seven with the extra point out of the rulebook then the player(s) responsible should get credit for it.

And when teams go for the conversion and get it, the players involved should pick up an extra Fantasy point. Only makes sense.

Here's where things get sticky: What happens when a team goes for the eighth point and doesn't get it? The team loses a point, but should the player who scored in the first place also lose a Fantasy point? What about the players involved in the conversion attempt itself?

Commissioners have the option to make touchdowns count for whatever they want, but it stands to reason that the act of scoring a touchdown under these proposed rules is a seven-point play, period. The decision to risk a point on the conversion is a separate play that shouldn't impact the previous play, especially if the player scoring has nothing to do with the conversion attempt. I would also rule that there is no individual penalty for a failed one-point conversion attempt even though the NFL team will lose a point for trying it. It keeps the bookkeeping simple and leaves turnovers as the only meaningful way to lose Fantasy points. That's the way I'd lean on it.

We're looking at the first possible time in professional sports history where a team can lose points after scoring them on a previous play. It's unchartered territory for all of us, including the league involved. Whatever it takes to enhance the Fantasy experience based on the rule change is what's most important.

Stay in touch with the most passionate Fantasy staff in the business by following us via Twitter @CBSFantasyFB . You can also follow Dave at @daverichard .

Get player news notifications, manage your team and check scores
- all updated in real time. Download the CBS Fantasy App.

  •  
 
CBSSports Facebook Google Plus
COMMENTS
Conversation powered by Livefyre
 
 
Player News
Giants pulling long-term contract offer to Jason Pierre-Paul
by Elliott Smith | Staff Writer
(7/6/2015) In the wake of a Fourth of July fireworks mishap, the Giants on Monday pulled their long-term contract offer to defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul, who remains hospitalized in Miami, per NFL.com insider Ian Rapaport. 

The Giants had applied the franchise tag to Pierre-Paul this offseason, but the player has not yet signed it, technically leaving him not under contract with the team. The Giants move to yank the longer deal is a bit of gamesmanship, since according to Rapoport, Pierre-Paul was not going to sign the $60 million deal anyway. 


Bills sign veteran tackle Wayne Hunter
by Elliott Smith | Staff Writer
(7/6/2015) The Bills took another step to shore up their offensive line, signing veteran tackle Wayne Hunter to a one-year deal Monday, per the National Football Post. 

Hunter, who has not played in the NFL since 2012, did spend three years with the Jets under new Bills coach Rex Ryan from 2009-2011. 

Hunter's deal is reportedly worth $870,000.


RB Khiry Robinson could be odd man out in Saints backfield
by Elliott Smith | Staff Writer
(7/6/2015) Running back Khiry Robinson is a fan favorite with the Saints, but the third-year pro, who once was viewed as a breakout candidate for the team, may find his role squeezed by the presence of Mark Ingram and C.J. Spiller, per ESPN.com. 

Robinson dealt with a broken arm last season, which limited him to 12 carries and 32 yards over the final 10 weeks of the year. The Saints then re-upped with Ingram and brought in Spiller to replace Pierre Thomas, meaning Robinson will have to fight hard in training camp to establish a role. 

"I just gotta keep working," Robinson said. "It's all love in the backfield. We all work together, try to help each other. So I think it's a good thing we've got a full backfield again. So if anybody goes down, we've got another player right up there to do the same thing."


Report: Giants Jason Pierre-Paul hurt in fireworks accident
by Elliott Smith | Staff Writer
(7/5/2015) Giants defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul reportedly hurt his hand in a Fourth of July fireworks accident in Miami, according to the Daily News

The paper reports that the injury is not considered career-threatening, but that varying accounts of what happened have been reported. The Giants have not confirmed nor denied the incident. 

The Giants applied the franchise tag to Pierre-Paul this offseason, but the 26-year-old has not yet signed it as he seeks a long-term deal, meaning that he technically is not under contract. 

Pierre-Paul had 53 tackles and 12 1/2 sacks last year for New York. 


Report: Torn pectoral sidelines Vikings CB Josh Robinson
by Marty Gitlin | CBSSports.com
(7/4/2015) The Vikings secondary took a hit last month when cornerback Josh Robinson sustained a partially torn pectoral muscle, a league source has told ESPN.

The nickel back played in 690 snaps last season and was expected to battle several others for playing time. The injury could sideline him from training camp and land him on the PUP list.


Report: Packers' Andrew Quarless arrested on gun charges
by Shawn Krest | CBSSports.com
(7/4/2015) Packers tight end Andrew Quarless was arrested for firing a gun twice in Miami on Saturday, per the Miami New Times.

Quarless was involved in a fight at South Beach and fired the gun into the ground. 


Titans receivers can thrive in YAC with Marcus Mariota's accuracy
by Ruben Palacios | Staff Writer
(7/3/2015) The Titans wide receiving corps could gain more yards after the catch this season because of rookie quarterback Marcus Mariota and his accurate throws, per ESPN.com.

The Titans were 24th in the league in yards after the catch last season, but with Mariota under center that can all change.

“If you have an accurate quarterback, it allows us to get more yards after that catch,” wide receiver Harry Douglas said. “And that’s one thing that makes a receiver dynamic -- first being able to catch the ball and then being able to do some things with it after you catch it. I feel like [to this point] Marcus has done everything he needs to do to get the ball to his receivers.”


Saints RB Khiry Robinson doesn't feel he's on outside looking in
by Ruben Palacios | Staff Writer
(7/3/2015) Saints running back Khiry Robinson might be the least known of his backfield counterparts, but he doesn't feel like the off man out, per ESPN.com.

Robinson knows the team is heavily invested in the likes of Mark Ingram and C.J. Spiller, but he's still confident he can thrive in whatever role the Saints put him in.

“I’m the type of person, I’m gonna get what I get and do what I do with it. So whether it’s 20 carries or one carry, I’m gonna do the best of my ability every play,” Robinson said.

Robinson has shown flashes of success during his three years in the league. Injuries played a key role against him last season, which can ultimately put him as the third back on the depth chart. He will use the offseason to continue to improve and challenge his counterparts for playing time.

“I just gotta keep working,” Robinson. “It’s all love in the backfield. We all work together, try to help each other. So I think it’s a good thing we’ve got a full backfield again. So if anybody goes down, we’ve got another player right up there to do the same thing.”


Browns OL Michael Bowie itching to compete for starting spot
by Marty Gitlin | CBSSports.com
(7/3/2015) Browns offensive lineman Michael Bowie is not required to report to training camp until the end of July. But never mind that - he's heading out after the last Independence Day firework explodes in the sky.

Bowie is itching to get started. He missed all of last season due to a shoulder injury after starting for Seattle on its Super Bowl title team in 2013. He is seeking to stay in tip-top shape in an attempt to land a starting spot on a Cleveland line that is the strength of the team.

"It's up to them to decide who is the best five," Bowie told the team website. "All I can do is take care of my business. Hopefully I can get a shot. That's what I'm working for."

Bowie participated fully in the offseason program, working mostly with the second team at right tackle. That will likely be the spot at which he competes for a starting job. Incumbent Mitchell Schwartz has not performed particularly well there and Mike Pettine has vowed there will be competition all over the field in camp.


Skins LB Ryan Kerrigan nearly recovered from knee surgery
by Marty Gitlin | CBSSports.com
(7/3/2015) Redskins outside linebacker Ryan Kerrigan appears to be on target to join the team for training camp after undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery that prevented him from participating in earlier offseason activities.

Kerrigan, who registered a career-high 13 1/2 sacks a year ago, had the operation to alleviate pain in the area.

"My leg feels really good and I'm glad I got the surgery -- not just for football, but it makes my everyday life feel better, so I'm glad I got it done," he told CSN Washington. "Now it's just a matter of getting stronger and getting into shape."

Kerrigan added that he's been running and now only needs to regain strength to insure his place at training camp.


 
 
 
Rankings